Jun 22, 2006

Fingerprinting everyone but illegals

Remember the Archdiocese's order the priests, religious, employees and volunteers who work with children have to be fingerprinted for background checks?

It turns out, says the L.A. Times today (click on this post's title), that since last year the Archdiocese of Los Angeles and the Diocese of Orange quietly have not been applying that order to parish volunteers who are illegal aliens. Officials of the dioceses say they let the "undocumented" work with children, but only under supervision.

The Times says that from anyone who cannot supply a U.S. government photo ID, the Archdiocese of L.A. asks only for an affidavit that they have not been convicted of any crime, and the Diocese of Orange asks for an affidavit plus two character reference letters.

The Times says that the two dioceses together have fingerprinted more than 70,000 priests, employees and volunteers. Not illegal alien parish volunteers, though.

The Times quotes Rita Mills of SNAP: "If someone can't prove who they are, they shouldn't be volunteering."


Anonymous Anonymous said...

That goes especially well with this:


Folks you better be warned that the children and money these dioceses are risking are YOURS...

10:47 PM  
Blogger Kenneth Fisher, Founder & CRCOA said...

According to the Tidings, the Archdiocese of Lost Angels utilizes the infamous notorious "All About Touching" to indoctrinate your children into the Planned Parenthood SIECUS sexual mentallity as well!

Kenneth M. Fisher, Foudner & Chairman,
Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

Go to our Website at: crcoa.com to see some of the literature we put out at the USCCB Los Angeles meeting.

11:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not surprised about this policy. Children don't even make it to today's list of "protected classes." Not PC enough I guess.

The MSM will give the sexual attac of a puppy above-the-fold attention. But mind you, if the victim had been a child, I doubt the perpetrator's legal status would have been an issue.

12:01 AM  
Blogger The Digital Hairshirt said...

Children are important. But I think this type of criticism is unwarranted since I don't think the children are in danger, because the people the SNAP folks are screaming about are people like you and me.

Sorry, I think they're wrong. I don't see a great risk to the children with the type of volunteers and I have two young'uns who are involved with my church and school. I have my own post over at the Digital Hairshirt on this, so if you want to leave critical comments - <*shrug*>

6:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Digihairshirt: Predators who are looking for at risk children would specfic gravitate to places where authorities are not making background checks.

11:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


This goes far beyond the phenomena of homosexual priests, child molestation or immigration. At its root, it goes to a fundamental ethos within the Church that is unwise. That ethos can best be described as "compassion ueber alles," especially for the "poor" and "vulnerable," without regard to the impact on others (particularly the innocent). Such an ethos accurately describes the Church's views on immigration, its revisionism on capital punishment and its general moral confusion.

At a deeper level, it also reflects the isolation of the bishops and their bureaucrats, an isolation that stimulates the arrogance of believing that the normal rules of life and common sense do not apply to them or to their practices.

This is far more serious than anybody realizes. This episode says that our bishops not only are corrupt, but stupid. Somehow, I think God is trying to tell us something.

11:53 AM  
Blogger Kenneth Fisher, Founder & CRCOA said...

Twelve Disturbing Reasons Why
American Bishops Must Admonish
Most Reverend Tod David Brown
for Reprehensible Wrongdoing

Most Reverend Tod D Brown committed many serious ecclesiastical delicts and criminal offenses since being installed as the Bishop of Orange in September 1998 It is incumbent upon American bishops to give fraternal correction to Bishop Brown for his contemptible wrongdoing.(1) A few examples of Bp. Brown’s numerous disturbing misdeeds will serve to justify the admonishment of this prelate by his peers…

1. Hp Brown failed to follow Church law pertaining to the ownership and administration of more than one billion dollars of ecclesiastical properties and goods of the Diocese of Orange. He also failed to set up proper legal safeguards to protect these diocesan assets. which put the diocese at enormous risk of losing a substantial part of its assets as a ‘deep pockets” defendant in civil litigation. (2)

2. The result of Bp Brown’s egregious failures was inevitable and tragic. Ninety lawsuits were filed against the diocese and its abusive clergy alleging clerical sexual abuse of minors and episcopal negligence that Brown was forced to settle for an astronomical, record-setting $100,000,000.

3. The 90 lawsuits were allowed to proceed to trial in Orange County Superior Court pursuant to C.C. P. #340. I for the sole reason that Bp Brown and other diocesan officials knew about the sexual abuse alleged in each complaint and failed to take steps to prevent future acts of abuse (2)

4. Mere than 11,000 pages of documents released in 2005 as part of the record $l00 million settlement reveal that flp Brown and high-ranking diocesan officials repeatedly violated P C § 11166 of the Child Abuse and Neglect Reporting Act by failing to report any of their molesting priests to civil authorities. (2)

5. Many abusive priests were kept in ministrv and in positions of authority and even promoted by Bp Brown As late as 2001, Brown allowed six priests to actively serve in the diocese with full knowledge that they were molesters. (2)

6. Bp Brown permitted the teaching of rank heresies in diocesan religious education and training programs, including (a) the Roman Pontiff is not infallible in matters of faith and morals, (b) Christ did not institute all the sacraments, and (c) the Church’s teaching on transubstantiation results in a problem of “cannibalism” (2)

7. Bp Brown sent a memorandum dated February 15. 2000, to all priests of the diocese in which he endorsed and recommended homosexual domestic partnerships as promoted in the writings of Fr Gerald D Coleman. S S (2) (2/01 L.A. Lay Catholic Mlission)

8. Bp. Brown published several articles containing heterodox statements in the diocesan organ, Orange County Catholic, such as (a) misrepresentations of Church teaching regarding end-of-life issues, (b) erroneous instructions concerning the obligations of Catholic voters with respect to Church moral teachings on human life, (c) false and misleading portrayal of the history, development and beliefs of Islam. and (d) endorsement of intrinsically evil acts between married couples that would likely result in the transmission of deadly disease (4/05, 9/04, 2/05, 5/06 O.C.C.)

9. Acting with the approval of Bp. Brown, the administrator of St. Mary’s by the Sea Church, Fr. Martin Tran, “officially” invited parishioners who were unwilling to
accept all of Brown’s liturgical novelties to leave the parish and the diocese and warned his congregation in church bulletins that it was mortal sin to kneel after the Agnus Dei and for the final blessing (5/06 L.A. Lay Catholic Mission)

I0. In early September 2005. the California Senate and Assembly became the first legislative chambers in the United States to legalize marriage between members of the same sex by passing Assembly Bill 849, the gender-neutral marriage bill During the seven months that the bill was winding its way through the California Legislature. Hp Brown took no action whatsoever to warn lh luthlii1 in his diocese about the grave dangers posed by AB 849 to faith and morals and the common good (2)

II. Within one year of his installation in 1998 as Bishop of Orange. Bp Brown falsely reported to ecclesiastical authorities and to the religious and secular media an incredible one-year increase of 67.3 percent in th Catholic population of his diocese. Brown made similar false reports in subsequent years with the result that today thy diocese is erroneously ranked as the 11th largest diocese of the 185 dioceses in the United States

12. Bp. Brown failed to foster priestly vocations in the Orange Diocese. Total seminarians reported by the diocese dropped from 58 at the end of 1998 to 29 at the end of 2003, an extraordinary five-year decline of 100 percent )(2). Diocesan seminarians for the academic year 2005-2006 still languish at 29. (Diocese of Orange Catholic Directory Year 2006)

Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.
P.O. Box 8095
Anaheim, CA 92812-8095
Web: crcoa.com, Email: crcoa@dslextreme.com, Group Email: crcoa@aweber.com

1. In obedience to Christ’s command (Matt 1815-17) to admonish the sinner (first of the chief spiritual works of mercy)
2. Letter to the Supreme Pontiff, His Holiness Benedict XVI, Concerning Ecclesiastical Delicts and Criminal Offenses Committed by, Most Reverend Ted David Brown Bishop of the Diocese of Orange. ((CRCOA, Inc, November 2005)

12:53 PM  
Blogger Kenneth Fisher, Founder & CRCOA said...


Do you know anything about "All About Touching"? If you don't, to protect your children you better learn fast!

You also better find out if this infamous programs is being used by your parish school.

If is isn't chances are you have a good Shepherd as Pastor. Thanks be to God and pray for him!

Kenneth M. Fisher, Founder & Chairman, Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

12:58 PM  
Blogger The Digital Hairshirt said...

"All About Touching" - we're not using it, I'm on the school board.

A "postee" on Megan's List - California's on-line sexual predator databse - is a member of the parish and a Eucharistic minister . . . or I should say, was a Eucharistic minister because as soon as it was pointed out to the pastor, he asked that person to step down. Our pastor is concerned more about our kids, thank you.

Anonymous - predators have an easier time in non-Catholic institutions. If an illegal immigrant wanted to molest children, there are far more opportunities down the block at Templo Bethel or at La Iglesia de la Luz del Mundo. You can be sure SNAP doesn't bother with them, or with Calvary Chapel.

9:00 PM  
Blogger bobnd said...

SNAP itself is a heresy. The people in that group are pro-homosexual, pro-choice and obviously not Catholic. They are aligning themselves with the Liberal aspect of the church and with the progressive bishops like Mahony and Brown. The last time I checked my catechism. Homosexuality was a grave and intricate disorder. Well most people who would molest children are straight as well as homosexual. If the pastors have any interegity they would tell their bishops to go to hell and just go to the cops themselves. It is time to look at what the USCCB has done and throw most of it in the garbage. Commend Bishop Finn for canning McBrien....he's a supporter for SNAP.

5:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Mr. Fisher, if what you say about Brown is true, then Catholics in the Orange Diocese (especially at St. Mary's By The Sea parish) must get together, hire a canon lawyer, file a class-action suit charging Brown with episcopal malfeasance and take their case to Rome -- even if they have to make a perpetual nuisance of themselves.

Do you know any canon lawyers willing to take such a challenge upon themselves? Can you organize Orange County Catholics to such action?

I ask you because you seem to have the organizational ability, contacts and dedication for such an enterprise.

11:49 AM  
Blogger Kenneth Fisher, Founder & CRCOA said...

Joseph D,

I am told that they are working with "The St. Joseph Foundation" and that Foundation has many good Canon Lawyers.

As far as I know, and I am in contact with them, they are taking all the steps, including Rome.

Thanks for asking. If you would like to get in touch with them, email me at: crcoa@dslextreme.com or call me at: 714-491-2284.

God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher, Founder Chairman
Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

12:19 PM  
Blogger Janice said...

Has anyone emailed the Vatican about Mahony and Brown's dereliction of duty? I flood of emails might get some attention.

1:01 PM  
Blogger Quintero said...

Dear Janice,

Thank you for the suggestion. E-mails and snail-mails are good. I should mention that many Angelenos and others for years have written such letters, made phone calls and even made personal visits to Rome, but without success so far.

This does not mean that such messages do not register with some officials, though; so I think people should keep sending them.

9:57 PM  
Blogger Kenneth Fisher, Founder & CRCOA said...

Quintero & Janice,

We have made inroads with Rome and will continue to do so.

The last time I was in Rome, then Cardinal Ratzinger's American Secretary urged to tell people exactly what Quintero said, KEEP THE LETTERS, EMAILS AND FAXES COMING!

Kenneth M. Fisher Founder & Chairman,
Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

5:24 PM  
Blogger Kenneth Fisher, Founder & CRCOA said...

Great News!

We once again have the petition in support of Fr. Robert Altier up and running again.

Please help us to regain the momentum we had before we had to change Servers, pass the word on and go to: crcoa.com

God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher, Founder Chairman
Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

1:32 PM  

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