"Full, conscious and active participation"
As you might recall, on February 27 Cardinal Roger Mahony of Los Angeles made the claim, in an online chat session at his 2009 Religious Education Congress, that in what was the Catholic Mass all over the world for 16 centuries or so, the Tridentine Latin Mass, "...there is no participation by the people, and I don’t believe that instills the spirit of Christ among us."
So was the Church wrong about the central act of worship? And wrong for a whole millennium and a half? We need clarification.
Did all those saints through the ages, who loved and lived for the Mass and who wrote of its glories -- and all those popes, bishops, and priests who suffered martyrdom for saying the Mass, and all those religious and lay Catholic faithful who suffered martyrdom for being at Mass -- did they not have "the spirit of Christ" instilled in them at Mass?
If only the martyrs could have had leotard-clad "liturgical dancers" to gape at, and celebrants in clown costumes, and rainbow banners looming, and Kool-Aid pitchers instead of chalices, and wicker baskets instead of ciboriums, and 1960's "folk" music instead of Gregorian Chant.
And pro-abortion, pro-homosexual-agenda politicians trooping up to Communion. That occurrence is a frequent feature of Mass nowadays around the USA, after all.
When the Vatican II fathers, in their Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, wrote of "full, conscious and active participation" by the faithful, "both inwardly and outwardly," they did not mean to green-light the abuses of the past 45 years or to deep-six the Tridentine Latin Mass.
And anyway, what liberals bill as "full and active participation" by everyone is not always that. How "active" is it when the congregation sits and watches a few people gyrate in the aisle?
Also, liberals never explain why they don't let the New Mass, which they believe embodies "full and active participation," be said in Latin. Is "full and active participation" in Latin bad?
So was the Church wrong about the central act of worship? And wrong for a whole millennium and a half? We need clarification.
Did all those saints through the ages, who loved and lived for the Mass and who wrote of its glories -- and all those popes, bishops, and priests who suffered martyrdom for saying the Mass, and all those religious and lay Catholic faithful who suffered martyrdom for being at Mass -- did they not have "the spirit of Christ" instilled in them at Mass?
If only the martyrs could have had leotard-clad "liturgical dancers" to gape at, and celebrants in clown costumes, and rainbow banners looming, and Kool-Aid pitchers instead of chalices, and wicker baskets instead of ciboriums, and 1960's "folk" music instead of Gregorian Chant.
And pro-abortion, pro-homosexual-agenda politicians trooping up to Communion. That occurrence is a frequent feature of Mass nowadays around the USA, after all.
When the Vatican II fathers, in their Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, wrote of "full, conscious and active participation" by the faithful, "both inwardly and outwardly," they did not mean to green-light the abuses of the past 45 years or to deep-six the Tridentine Latin Mass.
And anyway, what liberals bill as "full and active participation" by everyone is not always that. How "active" is it when the congregation sits and watches a few people gyrate in the aisle?
Also, liberals never explain why they don't let the New Mass, which they believe embodies "full and active participation," be said in Latin. Is "full and active participation" in Latin bad?
posted by Quintero at 4:11 PM
4 Comments:
There's no way Cardinal Mahony could stand by that statement if shown it again in the full light of day. It's preposterous, and you do a fine job of showing why it is.
Before being overshadowed by "the spirit of Vatican 2", we had participation in the Latin Mass, too.
Doesn't the Cardinal remember Dialogue Masses?
I still sometimes slip into Latin for responses during NO Masses in Spanish because I only go in English once or twice a year. There seems to be fewer deviations from the missal when the Mass is celebrated in Spanish, and the translations from Latin are more correct.
Dear Anonymous 11:31 p.m.,
Thank you for commenting and for your kind words.
Dear Dino,
Thank you for writing and for pointing out things out about the Latin Mass and about Spanish-language Masses and the translations.
It's nice to hear that you slip into Latin responses. God bless!
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