Jun 20, 2005

Openly "gay" in Mahony's L.A.

Mahony ordained Mr. Stoltz to the diaconate in 2004

In Cardinal Mahony's L.A., priesthood ordinations are way down. Only 5 priests were ordained this year and future vocations projections hold very little promise of improvement as long as the man at the top in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles is Roger M. Mahony.

The ordination of married permanent deacons, by contrast, is way up in Roger's realm. On June 11 of this year, Mahony ordained 11 men to the permanent diaconate. All 11 of the new deacons are married and, one would assume, heterosexual. Last year, yet another group of 11 married, presumably "straight" men, were ordained deacons by Mahony, plus one other man whose sexual orientation is in no wise in doubt. His name is Eric Stoltz. Stoltz has an impressive looking resume and currently works as an apparently successful web developer. Deacon Stoltz is also an avowed homosexual.

Mr. Stoltz, a self-described "gay urbanite," sees himself as ...

"... one of that despised class widely assumed to be irreligious and hedonistic and an imminent threat to everything that is good and holy in our society."

He continues:

" ... we [gays] are supposedly to blame for the breakdown of the family, yet I know of no gay people that have abortions, abuse children, get divorced, neglect the ethical and religious education of children; heterosexuals do all these things, but blame homosexuals for the results ..."

Stoltz is a professional writer and published author who obsessively weaves into his essays and homilies the usual "gay" themes: discrimination against "gays" by "straights" and by the Church; special privileges for "gay" couples; and, of course, AIDS.

Not surprisingly, Deacon Stoltz is a big fan of both Cardinal Mahony and Father Peter Liuzzi, O. Carm. (former director of Mahony's "ministry to Lesbian and Gay Catholics" and currently pastor of St. Agnes Church and School in Phoenix). He wrote about both (without explicit mention of their names) in a piece that was published in the "gay" friendly Jesuit weekly, America.

About Liuzzi:

"I recall the words of a priest in charge of gay and lesbian ministry for the archdiocese who encountered the protests of a deacon who complained about gay people "flaunting" their orientation; why couldn't they just keep all that to themselves? (Don't ask, Don't tell.) "And what about that ring on your finger and the picture of your wife on your desk?" he asked the startled deacon. "Are you not flaunting your heterosexuality?"

Regarding the advancement of militant homosexuality in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles:

"And what have I seen in the Church since I returned? I've seen wonders that you can never imagine. I've seen my friends received into the Church with their lovers as sponsors. I've seen bishops welcome the gay and lesbian community by name. I've seen gay couples bring up the gifts at the offertory procession. I've seen the funerals of friends who accepted death from AIDS with joy as new members of Christ’s Mystical Body."

And about the most influential champion of "gay" militancy among Catholics in L.A., Cardinal Roger M. Mahony:

"I have seen the archbishop of Los Angeles process into a church (for the record, not my parish) preceded by six gay pride flags (and I wept)."
Later in the same article, Mr. Stoltz talks about ...

"... the publicly orthodox Western bishop who says privately that the Catholic Church will recognize gay unions within the next 20 years."

"... the pastor who counsels parishioners on how to develop a positive gay relationship."

"... the bishops who dine regularly with gay couples."

"... the pastors who give the blessing of the meal at all-gay dinner parties."

And then by way of conclusion, he writes:

" ... Vatican bureaucrats and self-proclaimed defenders of orthodoxy may take offense at my experiences, but I know that I have been witness to wonders and marvels that will forever affect the nature of the Mystical Body, for we, too, gay men as we are, are also members of that body. And mind by mind, soul by soul, heart by heart, we are building a consensus fidelium that will one day set us free ..."

"Have you noticed that I named no names in this article? What does that say for a Church that proclaims that "you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free?" On the day that I can name names in this article, pastors, people and parishes, we will all be truly free. Until then, we will continue to struggle ... "

For more jeremiads by Cardinal Mahony's "gay" deacon, Eric Stoltz, go HERE and HERE. Go also to the webpage for St. Brendan's Church in L.A. where Stotlz serves as deacon.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stoltz knows no gay man who has abused children? This comment box isn't large enough to list all the names! What about Shanley in Boston and Baker in L.A.? The John Jay report commissioned by the US bishops showed that over 80 percent of the abuse cases involving priests had to do with homosexuals in the priesthood abusing boys.

12:46 PM  
Anonymous Suzie said...

I suppose Deacon Stolz is in a "committed" relationship? It wouldn't be a surprise.

1:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is not true that gays do not abuse children. When one identifies themself but ual orientation as though it is the MOST important thing about them then the seeking of gratification is the most important thing.

And studies show that most homosexuals have an incredible number of partners. How do you think AIDS spread to far and wide?

Will no one speak the truth to them in love? These souls are looking at an eternity left in their perversion.

3:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How can a Catholic Priest council a hetosexual and homosexual person under the same sacrament of reconcillation. Suppose a young 16 year old man was seeking God's grace in this sacrament because of lust towards a 16 year old female. It would be one of self denial given that Christ gave his own life to save us. If a 16 year old homosexual man had the same desires but with another man self denial I would think would be the council. If grace saves at 16 it would at 20, 25, 30 or whatever the age.

9:46 AM  
Anonymous Suzie said...

As far as gays abusing children, in the John Jay study regarding the sex abuse scandals, 80% of the abuse victims were adolescent males. Pedophiles aren't attracted adolescent male, (some) gay men are. The sex abuse scandal was not about pedophilia as the media would like us to believe. It's an ephebephilia (sp.?) problem which involves gay men.

7:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Suzie, you are right on.

8:11 AM  
Blogger tagryn said...

One thing that's clear to me is that Mahony is gradually moving the archdiocese to the point where someday, in the not too distant future, every parish will receive the announcement that "regrettably" it will no longer be possible to have Mass celebrated by a priest every Sunday. Instead, a "prayer service" will be lead by a deacon or eucharistic minister, where the Gospel will be read & pre-consecrated Eucharists handed out.

Heck, the priests at my parish have already started refering to "the time when Mass won't be available every Sunday." If that's not writing on the wall, I don't know what is.

My guess is that the diaconate is going to be elevated to virtual priesthood, at least in L.A., as a means by bishops like Mahony of dealing with the priest shortage.

8:10 PM  
Anonymous Barry C. said...


2:14 PM  
Blogger Lee Strong said...

While I consider homosexuality a disorder and oppose gay marriage (or civil unions for that matter), I need to point out that being homosexual does not of necessity make you a pedophile, nor are pedophiles necessarily gay. There are men who live as heterosexuals in their public lives who are pedophiles. Pedophila is a different kind of sickness from homosexuality.

5:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did you see the mitre that Mary Benedicta wore for the "Pallium Mass?" Girlfriends, that rich red embroidery reminded me of my Aunt Gertrude's Christmas pillbox minus the smell of mothballs! She may be old fashioned but Mary B.may give JPII and Roger Dodger a run for their money when it comes to exciting liturgical drag. I'll keep you posted!

8:26 AM  
Anonymous Daniel Mac said...

Stolz is not the problem. Herrod Mahoney is the problem. The Catholic Bishops Conference turns their heads from all homosexual problems within the Priethood as they continue their covers ups to cover MANY of their own butts. Good Priests are nailed to the cross if they dare speak up, ever notice we hear nothing in Homilies about the gay issues. ORDERS are out by our good Bishops NOT to upset us. We are not upset, just disgusted with the lack of backbone of our Bishops. To many Bishops fit the role of Judas, certainly not Peter

1:16 PM  
Anonymous Geska said...

Have you ever tried to contact the Vatican and tell them what is happening?? I think the new Pope should know about this openly gay deacon.

5:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

An alert to my brother and sister Catholics in Los Angeles:

Do not let the organization Big Brothers Big Sisters into your parishes or diocese.

It is a subtley pro-homosexual organization that will not ask the sexual preference of "mentors".

It has also named openly homosexual men as its "volunteer of the year" and now allows same-sex couples to take young boys and girls out on unchaperoned outings.

If your priest is allowing this group in a Catholic school or College bring this to his attention.

If he sees nothing wrong with it or endorses the methods of Big Brothers, complain to your diocese or Rome if necessary.

It is a violation of Canon law for a priest to promote an anti-Catholic group on church premises or in any other way.

5:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WAKE UP,the situation in the L.A. archdiocese is beyond repair.REAL Catholics should leave this cesspool and find a Traditional Chapel with a priest who is independent of the Archdiocese. Support him and NEVER give another dime to Mahony and his QUEER "priesthood". GOOD LUCK!!!

6:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anonymous: Right on! Don't give them anything.Shake the dust off your sandals and leave as soon as possible.The L.A. archdiocese is not the true church and will never be again.

6:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The L.A. archdiocese is not the true church and will never be again."

Well, that's taking it too far. A lot of the problems could be addressed if a decent bishop replaced Mahony. Whatever our grievances, we need to be careful on our part to avoid the heresy which SSPV and other groups fell into.

8:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the "anonymous" at 8:21 AM:You have just backwards; the "SSPV and other groups" are not the ones who fell into heresy it was the "Newchurch".Replace Mahony?? With whom-Bishop Levada or spome other clown.I don't think that you can find very many "good" bishops left who could make a dent in the problem.It's unlikely that PAPA RATZI would allow it anyway.

1:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From anon"JOE" to 1:08PM anonymous:I'm with you 100% regarding the L.A. cesspool.The old saying that the fish rots from the head down sure fits the "NEWCHURCH".The cleanup will have to start in ROME!!!

1:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

my dear catholic brethrens, the absolute best way for all of you to save your souls is to discontinue any false obedience to the novus ordo apostate church who pretends to be the catholic church but is not. What we need is a true church, a traditional catholic church where the traditional latin mass, the true catholic mass,chants and sacraments are being said. Where the true and authentic catholic dogmas, doctrines and teachings that were defined by 20 dogmatic councils, by scripture and tradition are being preached. Where errors such as ecumenism,indifferentism and collegiality are ebing condemned. Stop listening to unjust calumnies such as "traditional catholics are heretics, schismatics, fanatics, excommunicants etc." Traditional catholics are true catholics who love God with all their hearts and pledge true obedience to Jesus Christ and the true catholic church of eternal Rome, not the false conciliar church of masonic rome. Our obedience belongs to God, not man, God does not change and if anyone tries to change catholicism, either in faith or morals, as scripture tells us "let him be an anathema". Mahoney is a judas goat in judas goat's clothing, he completely betrays all that is catholic, he sends souls to hell with his uncatholicity, now that you have seen his vile and demonic colors as well as those of his false church, look for the true catholic church, look for traditional catholic churches, nevermind the persecution you will suffer, you are only sharing the cross of Christ and your rewards are great i heaven. God bless you all.

8:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon Joe writes:I wish that I had a command of the situation that you have. The Newchurch is completely corrupt.Mahony and his cohorts should be completely ignored and left without funds.GOD BLESS YOU!

8:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For the information of the author of this weblog: This page was linked by TRADITIO.com, which would explain the sudden influx of "Traditionalist Catholics." Maybe you could complain to the "Fr. Moderator" there to have your page removed, but I'm not sure if he (or they) would have that courtesy.

In Christ and His Infallible Church, Alexander

11:24 AM  
Blogger Clayton said...


That explains why the comments box seems to have been co-opted by some with schismatic inclinations.

Guys, remember the sin against the Holy Spirit? You know, the one Jesus said was not forgiveable? It's called despair... when you no longer believe in God's mercy and thus become unable to receive it effectively. You don't want to travel down that path.

Cardinal Mahony is not a demon, he's a sinner like the rest of us. Let's keep some perspective.

I am always amazed at the spiritual sweettooth displayed by Traditionalist Catholics. It's just the flip side of the willfulness of the progressive types in the Church: My way or the highway.

It wouldn't hurt to meditate a bit on the Passion of the Christ: in particular, the scene in which Jesus is being whipped. Does he lash out as sinners lord it over him? Does he try to "fix" the situation? What, exactly, does he do? This is worth meditating on.

To quote Cardinal Ratzinger: The least act of love is more powerful than the greatest act of destruction.

Or St. John of the Cross: Suffering for God is better than working miracles.

3:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon JOE says: My link to this blog was thru novusordowatch.com I doubt that Traditio had anything to do with us Trads trying to spread a few truths about what has been going on in the Newchurch for the last 50 years. If the truth hurts you bleeding heart liberals then I guess you will have to continue your suffering!Wake up to reality!!!

3:53 PM  
Anonymous Quintero said...


Thanks for the great quotations!

God bless you!

4:51 PM  
Blogger Quintero said...

No matter how bad things get, I will never forsake the Mass and the Roman Pontiff.

5:58 PM  
Blogger Clayton said...


In the two years I have been blogging, I have never been categorized as a bleeding heart liberal. This is a new experience for me.

But if that is the camp in which you place Pope Benedict XVI and the Roman Catholic Church, then frankly, I'm flattered.

What "truths" about the NewChurch are you referring to? Anything I wouldn't know from being in a Catholic seminary for 2 1/2 years?

8:15 PM  
Blogger tagryn said...

- There are some decent bishops in the U.S. - O'Malley (Boston), Egan (NYC), and Olmsted (Phoenix) come to mind, for example.

- Clayton: good points. We do need to remember that however mortal particular Church leaders may be, Christ did promise that "you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it." (Mt 16:18).

10:24 PM  
Blogger Clayton said...


To piggyback on your point:
We also need to remember what the Catechism says is in store for the Church at the end of time... whenever that is. The Catechism refers to it as the Church's ultimate trial:

675 Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers. The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.
676 The Antichrist's deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgement. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism, especially the "intrinsically perverse" political form of a secular messianism.
677 The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection. The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God's victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven. God's triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgement after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world.

As John Paul II was fond of saying, our responsibility is simply to "become saints, and do so quickly."

4:03 AM  
Blogger Tony said...

"What we need is a true church, a traditional catholic church where the traditional latin mass, the true catholic mass,chants and sacraments are being said."

You neo-trads are almost as bad as the Novus Ordo-ites! If you want to get with tradition, you need to join the Society of St. Pius I who celebrates the Holy Mass as described by St. Justin the Martyr. There the Holy Mass is celebrated in the original GREEK (not the vernacular Latin used to appease their Roman Masters). Masses were not held in Churches!!! They were held in the CATACOMBS where they belong. Come back to the one true church!!! Join the Society of St. Pius I today!!!

Society of St. Pius I

11:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From Trad JOE:Are there any St.PiusI Catacombs here in the U.S.?

3:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the website [www.novusordowatch.org] has a story on the election or non-election of Cardinal Siri in 1958.I wonder if God changed his mind??? You can access this stoty on their taskbar "Cardinal Siri.God Bless and good reading.Veritas vos Liberabit [John 8:32].

2:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

According to an article published on the website [www.lifesitenews.com]on July 11,2005 a document titled : "Vatican Document Forbidding Homosexuals to Priesthood Ready for Release says Vaticanologist" If this happens and if Pope Gregory-Ratzinger makes it stick,then Card.Mahoney may get what he deserves for his actions referred to in this blog.Lets all pray that this comes to pass.

2:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Quintero: the previous anon comment could be the answer to your motto: "HOW LONG O LORD".It might be this year!!!!!!

2:27 PM  
Blogger tagryn said...

I liked what DREADNOUGHT had to say about that possible ban on gay priests at: http://johnheard.blogspot.com/2005/07/dreadscience-pattern-of-creator.html

While certain seminaries have become cesspots of vice, banning *all* gays from the priesthood, including celibate ones, would be a fundamental change in how the church approaches homosexuality. It would shift from condemning the sin but not the sinner, to saying that just the state of being homosexual is wrong, regardless of whether the individual acts on it or not.

Seems to me its a misaimed move: trying to address what is a problem of discipline (w/regards to certain priests not honoring their vow of celibacy) by trying to just ban all homosexuals. If they don't address the underlying issue of fidelity to one's vows, the problems will continue.

9:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to tagryn & Dreadnought:apparently you have misread the lifesite article.The ban to be published soon by Pope Gregory-Ratzinger is a reissue of a ban published in 1961 in which they said that celibate homosexuals should not be ordained because they would be in "great danger". of course the greatest problem facing the church today is what do you do with the large amount of homosexual deacons,priests,bishops,archbishops& cardinals already in the church??

1:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I say kick them all out on their fairy asses!

2:58 PM  
Anonymous QuinteroFactChecker said...

Wow, what models of Christian compassion you all are. I pray that it will not take the onset of AIDS in one of your (presumably straight) loved ones to see that there is a bigger issue than your prejudice here. Please, for the love of Him, redirect your energies into something a little more useful. Perhaps some Charity, and if you're feeling a little more ambitious, Justice.

10:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From Anon "JOE". The great NY TIMES published an article recently that indicated that in fact the restated ban on all homos will be issued by BenedictXVI.His action will be a great act of Charity to all homos who want to get into seminaries where they could be tempted by all the males there.That is if he doesn't allow women in.

1:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe everyone should write to our new Pope Benedict XVI in Rome or form a petition and pray for him for the courage and grace to do the will of Our Lady regarding these destructive matters within her beloved Church.

4:43 AM  
Blogger Stealth Ed said...



Re: "A Gay Priest speaks on impending document"
October 14, 2005
[ http://ncronline.org/NCR_Online/archives2/2005d/101405/101405h.php ]

The NCR interviewed a priest concerned about the Vatican document which will instruct American seminaries to return to Christian morality, the Catechism, the Magisterium and holiness. His name is Anonymous ("A gay priest speaks on impending Vatican document" - October 14, 2005.) He identifies himself as "gay" and "homosexual." He says, "If a document comes out barring homosexuals from entering the priesthood you are going to have gay men who feel that they can live celibately and who feel called to the priesthood turning away from it. You will have a severe reduction in vocations."

This is narcissistic and defiant. Forgive me, but . . . WAKE UP! The Catholic Church has lost, and continues to lose, more parishioners and non-gay seminarians than "gay priests."

But let’s take a step back, shall we? Whom is the most vulnerable in our society? I hope you agree that the answer is children. So, NCR, where is your empathy for children? Where is the outrage?

It is a hard pill to swallow for "alternative New Age" priests and dissidents, but the truth is the John Jay study found that 80% of the abuse victims were boys. One of them committed suicide three weeks ago.

I really believe that priests like the Anonymous haven’t a clue about the life long scars on the human soul and psyche that is child sexual abuse. For if he did, he would never publicly worry us with his pathetic concerns!

The enormity of grief and tears shed by American Catholics over this scandal cannot be usurped by the grief of a few priests of an alternative persuasion..

A "gay priest" is not beyond finding another occupation. Indeed, gay clerics are welcomed at the Episcopal Church. It isn't beneath a "gay priest" to make sacrifices for the common good - like we are all called to do. (It's a fact that divorced Catholics cannot receive communion.) It can be argued that the calling from God to be a priest or religious is no higher than my calling to be a mother or your calling to be an editor.

In fact, mothers who cannot be trusted around their children are ordered by society to lose their parental rights every single day!

I pray that one day the hypocrisies of a "gay" man who lives among men, and toward whom he has sexual attractions, will sink in.

Give us some fresh air for we are suffocating beneath this "gay pridefulness."

God Bless,

1:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has anyone seen these articles on the gay deacon's pages? Does anyone remember when the bible was re-written? I thought there were stern warnings to anyone who takes or adds to the words of the bible. You can type in search words on the St. Brendan's Church site, Deacon Eric Stolt's pages, such as 'gay' & 'homosexuality'. These writings should be sent to Rome. I have already sent a few and feel really sorry for you faithful Catholics in LA. All I can say is that all of you should band together and keep pestering Rome, this problem can only be corrected and weeded out from the church hierarchy above, oh, and prayer and fasting. Best wishes in Jesus, Mary & Joseph.



6:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It was once said that "where the Bishop is there is the Church." True. But it needs to be unpacked. A Bishop provides the priests and the Eucharist so that the Church will live in a locale, a diocese. And he is charged with protecting the flock, being a locus of unity for the Church in his diocese. But the Bishop does not create the Church. The Church creates the Bishop. The Church is prior. No matter whether he is validly ordained and has apostolic succession, no Bishop can create another Church or a schismatic Church. All he can do is sin against Church unity either by heresy or some other sin, or by tearing Her unity through schism. This is what the Anglicans who seek after valid orders as well as the SSPX et al forget! To the "Traditionalists" I say this: you are not traditional, not at all. Schism is most untraditional. And no matter whether your Bishops have valid orders and Apostolic successio. If they are leading you into schism, they are leading you away from Tradition, away from what has been handed on ("traditio" in the Latin) namely the Church Herself. To the liberals I say this, no matter that it's your Bishop who leads you into heresy, no matter that he is a Bishop, if he leads contrary to the Church, he is leading you astray.

1:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I say, throw all those homos out of the church. Christ only died for heterosexuals, it's the sixties and the liberals that poisoned our minds with the heretical thought that all people are God's children.

8:34 PM  
Blogger Quintero said...

Dear Anonymous 8:34 p.m. in March 2008,

You and I and all of us know that Jesus died for all men, that all of us are children of God and that everyone in the Church is a sinner ("the just man falls seven times a day").

We also all know that the ultimate point of this post of mine from June 2005 is that you and I and all of us have to respond to Jesus' ultimate sacrifice for us with love, repentance and a firm purpose of amendment.

Everyone who is in mortal sin needs to stop sinning, and to stop rationalizing and making excuses, and to start seeing himself and his situation clearly.

Nothing ole Q has said suggests throwing anyone out of the Church. On the contrary, we want to welcome everyone to Jesus' forgiveness, grace and strength in the Sacrament of Confession.

If that makes you mad, please ask Jesus and His Mother Mary to help you become at peace.

As we know, God's plan for us all is to seek Him in repentance, Confession, a firm purpose of amendment, and expiation for our sins and those of all the world.

9:51 PM  

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