Nov 4, 2005

Mahony and women priests

What is the likelihood of women in the priesthood?

Cardinal Mahony:

"At this time in the Church's history, our focus and emphasis is upon including women as fully as we can. But the Church believes that we don't have the authority to make that change. Future generations? No one knows." [source]
I will let the Cardinal's weaselly answer stand for itself.

Note that he gave this response three years after Pope John Paul issued the Apostolic Letter, ORDINATIO SACERDOTALIS (May 22, 1994), in which the Roman Pontiff wrote:

Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church's divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church's faithful. [4]
Is there really any doubt about where the Cardinal of the West wants to take the Church?

11 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I find any encouraging of women to spend their life hoping to be priest is such a disgrace. Women or anyone spend their time and engery in a false belief very well can end up at the end of their life with nothing to show for it.

8:42 AM  
Anonymous Mike said...

In what way is Cardinal Mahony defending the Faith or teaching his flock with such a statement?

He's basically saying that the Church currently has a doctrine on the matter, but later generations may change it. What are we, protestants?

Mike

9:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We are dopes if we don't rise up and dethrone him.

9:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He keeps forgetting that the church of his dreams exists--it is called episcopal and there are women bishops and there is voting on what to believe in and everything.

But then the purpose is to destroy th church from inside, isn't it?

10:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it's past time for putting together something like this: http://www.supportourdiocese.com/archive/
Even Cardinal Mahony couldn't stop Oakland from getting a good, orthodox bishop (and believe me, he tried); the evidence was too strong.

Paul

10:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He stays in the True Church (although he should be kicked out) because in the denomination that owes its origins to the syphilitic King Henry VIII there aren't any cardinals.

10:15 AM  
Blogger Tito said...

So what are you guys in L.A. going to do about it.

I'll write about it on my blog if there is an official group of some sort that wants to 'dethrone' Cardinal Mahony.

At the very least, we can make enough of a ruckus that maybe Pope Benedict XVI will notice and hopefully go into action by appointing Cardinal Mahony to some nice desk job in the Vatican.

1:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who will start an "Early Mahony Retirement" blog?

5:29 PM  
Anonymous Michael said...

For People who are intrested in doing something about Cardinal Mahony well you could start with Bishop Tod Brown of The Orange Diocese. This Sunday November 6th, 2005 2-5pm , there will be a prayer vigil in front of Bishop Tod Brown's residence. you can find more info on this blog Oct. 29th,2005 posting. Please Come and Show your support to remove the corrupt elements in the Dioceses of Orange. God Bless!!

10:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You guys are complete morons. The church has changed many times over the years and will continue to prudently do so--meaning when it makes sense to move with the times and not to haphazradly throw tradition to the wind. Mahony said nothing unorthodox AT ALL here.

Perhaps it would be better for you to be orthodox and get behind your bishop instead of badmouthing him--which since you have no priestly authority, only serves to be a hot bag of smelly wind.

3:56 PM  
Blogger Fer said...

"You guys are complete morons. The church has changed many times over the years and will continue to prudently do so--meaning when it makes sense to move with the times and not to haphazradly throw tradition to the wind. Mahony said nothing unorthodox AT ALL here."

Moron speaking here, maybe is my low IQ but from what I understand with my low mental capacity is that there is a difference between discipline (the way things are done) and doctrine (what we believe). In other words, Apostolic Tradition needs to have consistency for it to be that, Apostolic Tradition. It is like math, if two plus two was four one thousand years ago, today it is no difference. If the Church Fathers once held that the Virgin Mary was conceived the Immaculate and then someone in the twenty first century says otherwise, someone is lying. The late Pope John Paul II in his Apostolic Letter ORDINATIO SACERDOTALIS in dealing with this matter says it himself “or the Church's judgment that women are not to be admitted to ordination is considered to have a merely disciplinary force.” What the late Pope was saying here is that there are those who consider women’s ordination a matter similar to celibacy, something disciplinary, and something that the Church has chosen to do, but if things change in the future we might change this discipline of requiring ordained men to be celibate. But here is the kicker, the Pope in the capacity of his office says that, “I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church's faithful.” If the word DEFINITIVELY does not mean anything to Cardinal Mahony or to those who favor women’s ordination then I think someone wants for two plus two to be five. At the same time the words “the Church has not authority” are powerful in themselves because this means that the Church did not have this authority in the past, it does not have it in the present and it will not have it in the future. Again this is the take on the issue of a low IQ Mexican therefore you can disregard it.

8:24 PM  

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