In the interview, Cardinal Mahony admits he phoned abortion zealot California Democrat Senators Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein to lobby them about immigration bills. He calls that issue "pro-life" and says he does not see how a Catholic politician could vote in good faith for the Sensenbrenner immigration bill.
Imagine if Allen had asked the Cardinal a few more questions, such as: "Did you also lobby those two reprobate pro-abort Senators in defense of preborn babies? Have you ever? If not, why not? And are you ever going to lobby them against aborting babies? If so, when, and will you tell us all about it?"