The Cardinal's keynoter and other tapes
People say Cardinal Mahony's keynote speaker for "Congress," Timothy Radcliffe, O.P., told his audience to see the homosexual propaganda film "Brokeback Mountain" and to read "gay" [sic] novels. If you personally heard him, can you verify it and provide details? And if he said this, did anyone boo, otherwise object or walk out?
Just as a resource for the record, I should mention that tapes of "selected" talks from this year's "Congress" are available (click on this post's title to see).
But in any case, if he said what people say he did, what on earth would a CATHOLIC PRIEST at a CARDINAL'S religious EDUCATION conference be doing even mentioning a depraved "R" movie from Hollywood's fountain of filth? Reviews say the movie contains nudity and sodomy, so why would the Cardinal's keynoter ignore the Catechism of the Catholic Church's prohibition against using pornography?
With so many betrayals having assaulted us from all sides for years, we sometimes lose our sense of shock at reports like this. If the reports are true, we should all object, and then we should redouble our efforts to expose next year's "Congress."
And let's remember that last November, "Congress" coordinator Vikki Shepp told an inquirer, in writing, that the Cardinal selects and approves each of his speakers.
Just as a resource for the record, I should mention that tapes of "selected" talks from this year's "Congress" are available (click on this post's title to see).
But in any case, if he said what people say he did, what on earth would a CATHOLIC PRIEST at a CARDINAL'S religious EDUCATION conference be doing even mentioning a depraved "R" movie from Hollywood's fountain of filth? Reviews say the movie contains nudity and sodomy, so why would the Cardinal's keynoter ignore the Catechism of the Catholic Church's prohibition against using pornography?
With so many betrayals having assaulted us from all sides for years, we sometimes lose our sense of shock at reports like this. If the reports are true, we should all object, and then we should redouble our efforts to expose next year's "Congress."
And let's remember that last November, "Congress" coordinator Vikki Shepp told an inquirer, in writing, that the Cardinal selects and approves each of his speakers.
posted by Quintero at 4:40 PM
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Here is the quote about Brokeback Mountain from Saturday morning keynoter Timothy Radcliffe, O.P.: "But I'm afraid I'm an old-fashioned traditional Catholic, and I believe that's the wrong place to start. We begin by standing by gay people, as they hear the voice of the Lord that summons them to a life of happiness. We accompany them as they wrestle with discovering what this means and how they should walk, and this means letting our imaginations be stretched open to . . . watching Brokeback Mountain, reading gay novels, having gay friends, making our beliefs of our hearts and our minds delighting in that being . . . "
P.S. No one objected when Radcliffe said to watch Brokeback Mountain and read gay novels. As to people walking out, it's hard to tell because it happened in the arena and there were thousands of people there, were walking in and out throughout the event. It was after Radcliffe spoke that Mahony took to the microphone to call for a day of prayer and fasting this Wednesday, April 5, to get the U.S. Congress members to change their minds on the Sensenbrenner illegal immigration controls bill. Mahony received wild applause for that.
Now, Mahony wants us to fast on Wednesday??? Sorry but Pope Benedict XVI already asked us to fast yesterday and today for world peace.
Which seeks the Will of the Father better? Seeking peace has numerous possible roads, many of which actually involve good people taking up arms to protect against aggressors, but it could happen in other ways, as well. But Divine opposition to the bill in question is NOT clear cut. And Mahony's opposition to the bill doesn't leave the door open to God to do things His way, which may just surprise the "cardinal."
On Radcliffe's assonine statements ... so many things wrong here. First, Radcliffe is traditional and old-fashioned??? Second, the Lord never said we'd be happy. Quite the opposite, He told us to prepare for opposition and hardship, even to the extent that "he who does not already own a sword must sell his cloak and buy one." Second, it's apparent that Radcliffe believes that those with homosexual temptations can only be happy if they succumb to those temptations. And the reality is quite the opposite--those who engage in homosexual acts are among the most troubled of humanity. Lastly, I've had "gay" friends. I pray for them. I want them to be truly, spiritually fulfilled. That won't happen if they're coddled into believing that their behavior is good. And neither will my immersion in the "gay" subculture and media.
In short, Radcliffe is at best a misguided moron and at worst a snare of Satan.
Jared, your words about Radcliffe apply a fortiori to His Eminence (sic) ...
"[Mahony] is at best a misguided moron and at worst a snare of Satan."
Jared...curious words from someone who seems to have cultivated the Anton LeVey look.
Anon 2:25
What a stupid comment.
Maria...pray tell........
remember the Taliban is a state of mind baby
Anonymous-2:25 PM
Dude, what can I say? when God (or genetics) started taking my hair, I figured I'd give up all of it. You know, the whole "if some punk swipes your tunic, throw your cloak at him, too" thing.
Besides, my wife likes it and the casting directors seem to, as well.
But enough about my hair ... let's talk about yours. I think you should really consider changing your conditioner. Seems like it's starting to seep in a bit deep.
Jared:
Great rejoinder.
Jared...thanks for the response, although I must admit I was expecting a bit more out of you. Perhaps, next time we'll get a keener attempt at sarcasm from the right wing karate man.
Maria...come on now, you took the time to type that...as well as your previous comment? Come off it, I'm just having a laugh......you people need to lighten up.....you're movement will never gain serious traction if this blog is anyway reflective of the traditionalist movement. All this tit for tat, and using the methods of tabloid journalism to try and topple Mahony is about as useless as being a eunuch in a whorehouse.
Thank you, Maria. Although I do think I should stop feeding the trolls.
Nevertheless...
Anonymous 2:23
See, the problem is, I don't have any material to go off of except your adolescent displays thus far. Perhaps if you posted a photo or a hobby or some such, I could then tell you which celebrity you look like or bring up how I expected more from a man who collects velvet Elvis paintings.
But, I haven't clue one as to who or what you are, and I don't really care.
This post is about Radcliffe and Mahony, not you or me.
That velvet Elvis thing really hurt me. I'm more of a dogs playing poker guy actually, I just adore the allegory. I'm also fond of hanging framed jigsaw puzzles on my walls. I really love gazing at my art collection, whilst sipping a glass of white zinfandel out of the box.
Anon -
I've been reading and occasionally commenting on this blog since the beginning. I don't want to label Q or any other regular commenters, but this is hardly a "traditionalist" place.
And if you think the "traditionalist movement" has not gained serious traction, well, I don't know what to say. Indults are being granted around the US, there's Campos, the FSSP and Institute of the Christ the King are producing more vocations than LA, and the Indult masses I attend in LA are always packed (and usually have more families).
Mike
And if you think the "traditionalist movement" has not gained serious traction, well, I don't know what to say.
Good point "Mike"...you don't.
Let's make a resolution. Ignore the lefty troll from now on! He ain't worth it.
Oh, please, Geraldine.
Ever hear the phrases, "Brood of vipers?" "Whited sepulchres?"
This man is leading people into SIN. He's helping them rationalize their GRAVE SINS.
I do not condemn him. He condemns himself by his teachings.
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