Sep 4, 2006

Preborn babies are not even on the radar screen

The current issue of The Tidings carries a "Living Well" column (click on this post's title) by Maureen Pratt of Los Angeles that is entitled, "Giving health: Think outside the box."

Astoundingly, Tidings columnist Pratt writes, "Financier Warren Buffett's pledge of more than $30 billion to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation for use in education in the United States and disease eradication in the Third World is a wonderful expression of concern and commitment to promoting the health of this and future generations."

The trouble with that fulsome praise, and what makes it astounding in a Catholic newspaper, is that both Buffett and the Gateses are notorious, major pro-aborts whose riches do some good but also promote anti-life policies and practices here in the USA and around the globe.

In the rest of her column, authoress Pratt supplies ideas for what the rest of us can do to make "the world a healthier, better place." None of her ideas involve the right to life.

How come, after 47 million aborted American babies, not only columnist Pratt but also The Tidings still do not know or do not care that the objects of their praise are pro-abortion?

We can only conclude that with people like them, abortion-targeted preborn babies, moms in trouble, and the right to life itself, are completely off their radar screen. With all due respect, may I suggest that that obtuseness is woefully inadequate for Catholics in this day and age.

16 Comments:

Anonymous Kenneth Fisher, Founder & Chrm. CRCOAc said...

All you have to do is look at the so called "honor wall" with its many pro-aborts honored at the RogMahal to know that the unborn are off the radar screen with Roger!

Kenneth M. Fisher

9:52 AM  
Anonymous Father G said...

There is no "honor wall" at the Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels. Rather, there is a donor wall where the generosity of people who have donated various large sums to the cathedral's construction and adornment is acknowledged. The last time I checked, all those named were sinners redeemed by the passion, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

11:44 AM  
Anonymous Father G said...

Dear Mr. Clough:
May I remind you that ad hominem attacks are the weakest form of argumentation? Or maybe you never formally studied logic and rhetoric, in which case, invincible ignorance excuses you.

Mr. Fisher and I have some legitimate disagreements and I think we both have been respectful to each other in our exchanges. I would gladly apologize to Mr. Fisher if I were to believe that I had said something for which I needed to express contrition. I don't so I won't.

Mr. Fisher and I have been able to disagree agreeably, without resorting to peronal insult. I invite you to join in.

1:02 PM  
Anonymous DAve said...

Guarantee he's not.

Oh wow logic was formally studied. I'm apoplectic. Not as much as I did...

For a "father" he sure likes to try to beat people up with words...

I'm not buying... I suspect a troll

Jack made some good points... and really we have no way of knowing whether the donors were redeemed or not... a priest should know that...

1:48 PM  
Anonymous Father G said...

Dear Dave,
Accoding to Catholic theology, everyone God created is redeemed by the passion, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. We call this the objective redemption.

Subjective redemption has to do whether or not any individual accepted this grace from God.

By the way, even the Most Blessed Virgin Mary is redeemed by the Paschal Mystery. Blessed John Duns Scotus and the Franciscan school of theology developed the the notion of anticipatory redemption to help reconcile the Immaculate Conception and Our Lady's statement in the Magnificat, when she proclaims, "My spirit rejoices in God, my savior."

Thus did the Franciscan schhol "defeat" St. Thomas Aquinas and the Dominican school which argued against the Immaculate Conception.

At Old Mission San Luis Rey in Oceanside, which was a Franciscan seminary at one time, there is an allegorical painting of the Franciscan school's "victory" in having the Immaculate Conception defined dogmatically by Blessed Pius IX.

2:24 PM  
Blogger BaronVonMadman said...

Dave, what is your problem? How many times have you thrown the "troll" accusation around? Everyone who comments with a different view or challenges some bit of tabloid journalism here is a "troll" apparently. Somehow, Quintero and Kenneth Fisher are beyond reproach to you and the core of this blog's readers. Father G has made and continues to make great points, hasn't beaten anybody up with words......if he is a priest he certainly merits more respect than he's getting here, and if by chance he isn't......it doesn't change the fact that what he has said in his numerous posts the last week or so have been theologically correct. You and "Jack" should pipedown, or enter the seminary yourselves.

3:25 PM  
Anonymous Father G said...

Dear Baron,
I thank you for your kind words and Christian compassion in my regard. God bless you!

3:43 PM  
Anonymous DAve said...

Oh baron

Well, that's not true but what's the point... I just go off of the general impression I got but jeez sorry if I don't have objective understanding such as yours...

To say that I accuse everyone whose opinion differs from mine is a troll is simply bearing false witness... hope it was worth it-

If I was really so bad you wouldn't have to lie about me-

-huh-

I disagree with Ken Fisher often but he doesn't try to make people feel small...

...and one might well ask where YOU became qualified to evaluate theological rectitude???

God created Satan. Satan is redeemed? Or is this just some mental gymnastics exercise for churchmen and wannabe churchmen?

7:27 PM  
Anonymous Father G said...

Dear Dave,
When I said the Church teaches that everyone created by God is redeemed, I meant every human being is included in the objective redemption. That's why in the Words of Institution at Mass we say that Jesus' blood "...will be shed for you and for all so that sins may be forgiven" even though the Latin literally says "for many." I'm sorry if I misled you into thinking that the Church teaches that Lucifer and the other fallen angels are redeemed; of course, they are not.

8:07 PM  
Blogger BaronVonMadman said...

Oh Dave...great point, I do now believe this blog is simply exercises in mental gymnastics for wannabe churchman, you've hit it right on the head! I'm sorry if you've feel I've lied about you, but I think that's a bit of a stretch. But the reality is that you have on numerous occasions you've played the troll card, which is really a weak move.

9:06 PM  
Anonymous Kenneth Fisher, Founder & Chrm. CRCOAc said...

father g,

Honor Roll is what I called it because it honors some people who are really not honorable, Schwartzeneger, Riordan, the King of Inernet Porno, Ruppert Murdoch, etc. ect. ad nauseam.

Why does it honor them? The answer is simple ????? or thirty pieces or a Bronze door, etc etc.

Did you know that Henry the VIII tried to buy the Pope for an even larger sum than it took to buy Mahony?

Re: " the Latin literally says "for many." I'm sorry if I misled you into thinking that the Church teaches that Lucifer and the other fallen angels are redeemed; of course, they are not." That is exactly what Mahony allows some of his speakers to teach at the Congress. I also have a tape of him telling a woman who converted from the Faith to Judaism, that even though her family and friends were trying to get her to come back to the Faith for her salvation, she did not have to do so, that salvation was very much hers where she is. I can send you a copy of the tape and it was on "Religion on the Line". Syncretism any one? God have mercy on his soul!

Father we pray for your confused soul.

Kenneth M. Fisher

9:17 PM  
Anonymous Kenneth Fisher, Founder & Chrm. CRCOA said...

OOPS hit the wrong key in second paragraph.

father g,

Honor Roll is what I called it because it honors some people who are really not honorable, Schwartzeneger, Riordan, the King of Inernet Porno, Ruppert Murdoch, etc. ect. ad nauseam.

Why does it honor them? The answer is simple $$$$$ or thirty pieces or a Bronze door, etc etc.

Did you know that Henry the VIII tried to buy the Pope for an even larger sum than it took to buy Mahony?

Re: " the Latin literally says "for many." I'm sorry if I misled you into thinking that the Church teaches that Lucifer and the other fallen angels are redeemed; of course, they are not." That is exactly what Mahony allows some of his speakers to teach at the Congress. I also have a tape of him telling a woman who converted from the Faith to Judaism, that even though her family and friends were trying to get her to come back to the Faith for her salvation, she did not have to do so, that salvation was very much hers where she is. I can send you a copy of the tape and it was on "Religion on the Line". Syncretism any one? God have mercy on his soul!

Father we pray for your confused soul.

Kenneth M. Fisher

9:20 PM  
Blogger Quintero said...

Dear Everyone,

I believe Father G is a priest, and a hard-working one.

I do not believe in questioning people's stated affiliations, unless something extraordinary would arise.

We all need to stay away from insult and any other lack of charity, as well as anything even approaching them.

Father G and Kenneth are going about things in the right way -- vigorous debate but no insults. That is to their credit!

10:38 PM  
Anonymous Father G said...

Dear Mr. Fisher,
I truly do appreciate your prayers...like all priests, I need the prayers of the faithful to sustain me. The Lord and Our Lady have been very good to me, D.G.!

There is nothing wrong in showing appreciation to people who extend generosity or who help to build great monuments of faith. Remember how Our Lord embraced even tax collectors.

When looking at other people's sinfulness, it is good to remember the example of St. Francis of Assisi who was asked to publicly condemn a priest who was a public drunkard. Seeing the poor priest staggering down the street in a drunken stupor, Francis said, "There, but for the grace of God, go I."

The Catholic Church continues the custom begun in Judaism of accepting charitable donations from people of all stripes because to refuse might be to deny them an opportunity for grace (or for a mitzvah in Judaism).

I will remember you at Mass.

11:19 PM  
Anonymous Father G said...

Dear Quntero,
Thank you for your remarks encouraging moderation and civility even in the heat of vigorous debate. Thanks, too, for the kind remarks in my regard.

Let us continue to pray one for another, especially at the Holy Sacrfice.

11:22 PM  
Anonymous Kenneth Fisher, Founder & Chrm. CRCOA said...

Dear Fr. g,

Re: "The Catholic Church continues the custom begun in Judaism of accepting charitable donations from people of all stripes because to refuse might be to deny them an opportunity for grace (or for a mitzvah in Judaism)." Whatever happened to the serious matter of giving SCANDAL!

Thank you for remembering me at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. St. Padre Pio said "the world could easier exists without the sun than without the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass"

Kenneth M. Fisher

11:22 PM  

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