Mar 22, 2007

Hans Kung slams the Pope

Last Monday, reported (click on this post's title) that aging dissenter Hans Kung is bashing Pope Benedict XVI even though the Holy Father kindly had him to a four-hour private dinner meeting in 2005.

Kung told the Ottawa Citizen newspaper on March 15 that the Pope "is frightened" and has a "medieval" idea of the Church. Kung also whined, “What would Jesus do if he were Pope? I can't believe He would forbid the (birth control) pill today, or the ordination of women."

This should be a lesson us here in Los Angeles. No matter how nice you are to dissenters, they are going to bash the Church and they are going to bash you if you defend the Church.

So stop inviting them to the Religious Education Congress.


Blogger acwo said...

I like your blog very much
keep it up!

12:03 PM  
Blogger Tito said...

Good point. Kung is already discredited and sidelined.

1:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone take Dr. Hans Küng seriously anymore?
He was "in" 40 years ago but after his censure by the Vatican, he became a Tübingen-based wanderer in the wilderness.

9:22 AM  
Blogger Quintero said...

Dear Anonymous 9:22 a.m. and Tito,

Looks as if the only one who takes Hans Kung seriously anymore is himself.

Can't he see that he has adopted the world's values?

11:50 AM  
Blogger Quintero said...

Dear Acwo,

Thanks veyr much for your kind words!

11:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


No,the leftist Press takes him very seriously because he promotes their evil agendas!

Pray for his poor soul!

1:49 PM  
Blogger Quintero said...

Dear Kenneth,

Well, let's put it this way: Hans Kung surely takes himself far more seriously than anyone else does, including the dissenters and the news media who cynically use him.

4:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Quintero, I'm also losing respect for the current pope (though not for the reasons Kung cites). The mere fact that Mahony continues to hold a major see speaks volumes about the corruption imbedded in Rome -- corruption that reaches all the way to the top.

Let's be honest: Rome doesn't give a damn about the faithful, whether ordained or lay, and it certainly doesn't give a damn about God. All Rome cares about is its own power, prestige and image -- which has deservedly taken a beating for at least seven centuries, now.

Mahony is merely a symptom of a far greater problem: an episcopal system that rewards careerists, isolates its members, encourages institutional arrogance, demands blind deference from subordinates and discourages accountability at every turn.

Such a system is an abomination to a holy, righteous God. Such a system betrays the very principles of service laid down by Christ Himself in John 13.

Do you think St. Peter -- a simple, blunt man who demanded that Cornelius stand up instead of kneel to pay him homage in Acts 10 -- would tolerate the sight of bishops acting like medieval potentates, dressed in lace and having their rings (and their asses) kissed?

3:06 PM  
Blogger Quintero said...

Dear Joseph,

It is undeniable that Jesus wanted His and our Catholic Church to be papal and hierarchical.

It is also undeniable that Catholic bishops ordained in the unbroken line of succession from the Apostles whom Jesus selected deserve respect from the faithful.

But it is also undeniable that the best bishops are those who live the Gospel spirit of poverty, humility and service, and that we could use more of that today.

So I think we can say that the Church's hierarchical system is not the problem, it is the way too many mistreat and abuse it.

11:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Quintero, the question isn't whether Church governance is (or should be) hierarchical. The question is whether *any* system of church governance encourages or discourages the kind of episcopal service that Christ demanded in John 13.

Part of the question involves serious means to redress legitimate grievances on the part of the laity or clergy. Supposedly, Canon Law provides such means. But what good is Canon Law if those responsible for Church governance ignore it and essentially rule by fiat?

Quintero, you certainly can't argue that a hierarchial system of apostolic succession justifies corruption, arbitrary rule and the isolation of the powerful from the faithful. Those were the exact same problems Christ saw in the religious leadership of His own day -- and we all know how He felt about that leadership. Who's to say that He would have a different opinion about today's Catholic leadership?

4:32 PM  
Blogger Quintero said...

Dear Joseph,

We can say for sure that the Church cannot do without governance, and that we must not and may not abolish the papacy and the system of hierarchy.

We can also say for sure that no Protestant, Orthodox, Mormon, Jehovah's Witness or other sect's system is something to emulate.

We need a modern-day St. Francis of Assisi and a modern-day St. Charles Borromeo to help us.

We also need Catholics who will follow them when they appear.

We need more of the Gospel, closeness to Christ, holiness, poverty, justice and love.

My firm belief is that we do not have enough of those things for three main reasons: We have effectively disallowed the Tridentine Latin Mass, we ordain and promote homosexuals and we fail to save babies from abortion.

4:09 PM  

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