Mar 28, 2006

Cathedral sendoff for a pro-abortion politician

On Monday, March 27, Cardinal Mahony's Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels was the site of a large funeral for a pro-abortion Latino politician. He was Democrat former Assemblyman Marco Antonio Firebaugh, 39, who was running for a State Senate seat until influenza and an unspecified liver disease claimed his life.

The L.A. Times reported Tuesday that "about 2,000" attended the funeral, including prominent pro-abortion politicians such as Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante, L.A. Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and L.A. County Supervisor Gloria Molina.

A Times photo shows "a church worker" as he "sets up a photo" of Mr. Firebaugh.

A Planned Parenthood Affiliates of California "Pro-Choice Scorecard" for 2004 (click on the title of this post to see it) listed Mr. Firebaugh as "100% pro-choice."

We should pray for the repose of Mr. Firebaugh's soul, of course, but what message does a high-profile Cathedral funeral for him send Catholics and the rest of the general public?


Anonymous Anonymous said...

have we forgotten to 'judge not lest we be judged'?

10:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Silence only helps the oppressor never the oppressed.

Quote taken from Priests for Lifes' Pro-life Rosary

11:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also, there is a gay website that lists gay friendly parishes in LA County. There were about a half dozen and one was in Whittier, with a Marian name (I dont recall exactly). Anyways this same parish was featured in a 2 page layout of last weeks Tidings with a prominent picture of a redemptorist clergy presiding.

Is there a method to this madness? These gay/pro aborts seem to be in lockstep with the Archdiocese.

11:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"have we forgotten to 'judge not lest we be judged'?"

This statement is growing old and is a tactic for use in trying to shut others up and/or put them on a guilt trip. Anonymous might want to study the meaning of "judging."

Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall seeing anywhere, the final judgment on anyone's soul! Facts were presented and a request to pray for a departed soul, which we should do for anyone who dies, is all I read.

I guess anonymous would have every person that dies loaded into a "liturgical canon" and shot into Heaven.

1:21 PM  
Blogger Gerald Augustinus said...

You do great work in exposing Mahony

2:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The quote of judge not is always used because it is a poor translation. A better translation is condemn not that you may not be condemned. This understanding is, of course, inconvenient and cannot be used to shut up faithful to the Magisterium Catholics.

2:51 PM  
Blogger Jared said...

For anonymous:
Please read 1 Ephesians 5

5:03 PM  
Blogger Kenneth Fisher, Founder & CRCOA said...

April 1st is April Fools Day, and it is the day that “Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.” will be picketing the Archdiocese of Los Angeles Religious Education Congress (I prefer to call it the “Anti-Catholic Religious Education Congress!”.

We will be conducting our prayerful protest demonstration in front of the two main Exhibit Hall entrances from 9:00 AM until roughly 6:00 PM.

Please email me at: or call me at: 714-491-2284 with any ideas on this you may have.

Remember there are just 3 days left until the annual invasion of the hetereodox, the Archdiocese of Lost Angels Religious Anti-Catholic Education Congress at the Anaheim Convention Center.

Will you be there to prayerfully demonstrate against this attack on our Faith?

God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher, Founder & Chairman
Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

6:17 PM  
Blogger Quintero said...

Dear Anonymous 10:57 a.m.,

As our fellow commenting friends have kindly pointed out, my post does not judge the deceased.

We do not know the state of anyone's soul. All we know is what he DID. This man was "100% pro-choice" in the eyes of the Planned Hell abortion empire.

I did not say the man should not get a Catholic funeral. It is just that the most prominent church in the whole Archdiocese was a bad location, because of the danger of misleading and confusing the faithful and the general public.

Remember, before the Cathedral was ever built Cardinal Mahony said it was too bad he did not have a big cathedral, because the funeral of L.A. Mayor Tom Bradley could have been held there -- never mind that Bradley was not Catholic and on top of that was pro-abortion.

8:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Keep it up, Quintero. Your work is much appreciated.

9:03 PM  
Blogger Kenneth Fisher, Founder & CRCOA said...

Anonymous, here is an answer to you statement at 10:57 AM from a REAL BISHOP:

Christ is reassuring and humble, as well as powerful, mighty
02/17/2006 Bishop Robert Vasa

BEND — We live in an age which places a very strong emphasis on tolerance, mutuality, and acceptance. I have heard repeatedly over the years that “Jesus never judged, condemned or excluded anyone.” I wonder if Peter would agree as the words of Jesus, “Get behind me you Satan,” rang in his ears. I wonder if the Scribes and the Pharisees would agree as they rankled at being called whitened sepulchers or broods of vipers. I wonder if those who heard Jesus say, “Whoever leads one of these little ones astray, it would be better if he had a millstone tied around his neck and be cast into the sea,” nodded approval and said, “He is so tolerant and accepting.” This verse is included, virtually verbatim, in each of the three Synoptic Gospels, Matthew, Mark and Luke. I certainly have no qualms about the image of Jesus as kind and gentle, or with Jesus’ own description of Himself as “meek and humble of heart.” I see and appreciate the great appeal of one of the most recent devotions fostered so powerfully by our late Holy Father, Pope John Paul II, that of Divine Mercy. Each of these attractive and reassuring aspects of Jesus needs to be remembered. These are aspects of Jesus that we cannot afford to forget and to which we can and must cling. At the same time we do well not to forget that the Lord is also a “God of power and might.” Jesus stood up to the guards who came to arrest him in the Garden of Gethsemane. He stood courageously before Pilate. He bore His cross with noble, unflinching determination. He is not a God of weakness. He is strong and He defends His people. This accounts for the strong language used when the “little ones” of His flock are put at risk.

In our “compromising age” we are loath to name something too strongly. If we do, we are accused of harshness, judgmentalism, perhaps arrogance, certainly intolerance and possibly pharisaism. While it is always necessary to speak the truth with love, the Church also believes and teaches that it is also necessary to speak the truth with strength. It is necessary to defend truth and not be too quick to rationalize, justify or excuse misleading teachings or teachers. There is a point at which passive “tolerance” allows misleading teachings to be spread and propagated, thus confusing or even misleading the faithful about the truths of the Church. There is a very strong word, which still exists in our Church, which most of us are too “gentle” to use. The word is “heresy.” We perhaps think that heresy is a thing of the past. We think perhaps of the Arian heresy or the Pelagian heresy or the Manichaen heresy. We might even maintain that there are no longer any heretics because that conjures up images of inquisitions and burnings at the stake. I do not, in any way, seek to validate or justify any kind of “vigilante” theology, but we do need strong words to combat erroneous and fallacious teaching.

As a point of information, the present Code of Canon Law does include a couple of canons on heresy. Canon 751 defines heresy as “the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt, after the reception of baptism, of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith. . . .” There are a number of teachings of the Church that must “be believed by divine and Catholic faith.” We must believe, for instance, that Jesus is true God and true man. To deny or doubt this, with obstinacy, is heresy. We must believe the God exists in Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We must believe that Jesus rose from the dead. We must believe that He ascended into heaven. These phrases will all be familiar because they constitute the Creed that we recite each Sunday. It may come as a bit of a shock, but there are a number of Catholic theologians who now seriously call into question these basic teachings, these Creedal tenets.

There are also moral teachings that constitute a part of the deposit of faith that must be accepted and adhered to, “firmly embraced and retained.” Canon 750 concludes: “therefore, one who rejects those propositions which are to be held definitively is opposed to the doctrine of the Catholic Church.” It is certainly necessary to exercise a great deal of caution and care in arriving at a founded conclusion that someone accepts or teaches heresy. There is something terribly harsh about calling a person a heretic. This is not something that is ever done lightly or capriciously. Nevertheless, there are those of the household of Faith who obstinately deny some truth that is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith.

There is some question, for instance, about whether those who openly profess to be “pro-choice” are, in fact, holding to a heretical position. The teaching of the Church in the area of life is clear and unequivocal. Human life must be respected and protected from conception to natural death. Those who maintain that any and all decisions about the disposition of pre-born human beings are exclusively the right of the mother or the parents, at least implicitly, reject the clear and consistent teaching of the Church. The truth is that God charges each of us with the duty to protect and defend innocent human life. This is clearly stated in the Fifth Commandment: Thou shalt not kill. In our society, this attempt to protect innocent human life is done through legal legislative processes and is accomplished, or fails to be accomplished, by those whom we elect. It would not be proper to imply that anyone who votes for an anti-life politician is denying some truth of divine and Catholic faith. Yet, if that candidate receives the vote precisely because he maintains that he has no duty to protect or defend innocent human life in the womb, then a vote cast for him is a type of declaration that the teaching of the Church, indeed the validity of the Fifth Commandment itself, is rejected.

One brave soul has termed this present rejection of responsibility for one’s pre-born brother or sister the right-to-murder heresy. When our Lord said it was time for Him to go to Jerusalem, there to suffer and die, Peter contended with Him quite strongly and rejected this intention of his Lord. For this Peter incurred the blunt and definitive, “Get behind me, you Satan. You are thinking as man thinks and not as God thinks.” Our kind and gentle Lord will certainly receive us and help us when we cry out to Him for He is “meek and humble of heart,” but I suspect he will likewise not mince words with those who reject His Way and His Truth

I am happy to say that Bishop Vasa has given us permission to use the Pastoral at the Archdiocesan Religious Education Congress

Kenneth M. Fisher, Founder & Chairman, Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

12:19 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Sounds like anonymous could be the part of the Mahoney Baloney regime. I pray Pope Benedict XVI will straighten this out.

Also we could lump NPM into the mix...Been to there conferences and I swear it was a pink triangle production...some much talk of justice, peace....people of God....but they forgot one mention...errr, SIN. now we can't have that... Might make us feel back in the new Prozac Church.

We must pray and Fast for the Church.

Light of Christ, shine in the darkness! Amen.

12:22 AM  
Blogger Kenneth Fisher, Founder & CRCOA said...

Quintero, Marco Antonio Firebaugh should not have been given a public Catholic funeral.

He was a public sinner, and public sinners are not supposed to be given such funerals, because of the scandal it causes the faithful!

The only real explanation for this lies in Mahony's twisted theology!

Kenneth Fisher

12:27 AM  
Blogger CDE said...

How many pro-choicers are comfortable with God have a choice to make at the final judgment?

4:08 AM  
Blogger Thomas Coolberth said...

Looks like there is good work going on out there on the West Coast ... this Bostonian will be with you in spirit.

4:20 PM  
Blogger Quintero said...

Dear Thomas Shawn,

Thank you very much, and we out here will keep you and Boston in our prayers. God bless!

11:43 PM  
Blogger Kenneth Fisher, Founder & CRCOA said...


Thanks for all you are doing to promote the prayerful demonstration tomorrow. Some of us intend to be there on Sunday as well, and we will make sure anyone else who joins us will have all the materials they need.

By the way, at last count, there were at least 40 definite heterodox speakers and many more questionable ones.

At this kind of Congress, ONE SUCH SPEAKER IS TOO MANY!

Are Our Lord and His Mother asking you to come and prayerfully demonstrate at the REC tomorrow anywhere from 9:00 AM until roughly 6:00 PM when the modernistic Mass complete with dancing girls begins?

Pleae come and join CRCOA tomorrow, we have plenty of literature and signs for those who do come. The more spiritual volunteers we have, the more we can put the truth into the hands of those who are ORDERED
to attend this Dissenter fest.

Pray that it does not rain; but if it does, the heresy does not stop so neither should Their true children. Come rain or shine, CRCOA will be there. Will you?

Kenneth M. Fisher, Founder & Chairman, Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

4:33 PM

4:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Forgive me if I seem just a little naive, or perhaps even unsophisticated, but it was my understanding that the Catholic Church (and it seems to me that the Cathedral as the mother Church of the Archdiocese ought to exemplify this best) provides funeral services for only one category of Catholics.


Or am I wrong?

7:03 PM  
Blogger Quintero said...

Dear Anonymous Said,

Sure, we are all sinners. But I did not say he should be denied a Catholic funeral, only that the Cathedral was a bad venue for it.

Yet if we really believe, as the Church teaches and science tells us, that our preborn babies are as fully human as us "postborns," then is it far-fetched to say that Catholic funerals for politicians who facilitate all those baby deaths might create scandal and might mislead the faithful?

You have to admit that bishops can and sometimes do deny a Catholic funeral to a Mafia member, for example. Should mobsters get Cathedral funerals?

11:37 PM  
Blogger Kenneth Fisher, Founder & CRCOA said...

Cardinal Mahony denied a public funeral for the former U.S. Attorney General, William Casey because he had committed the horrible scandalous crime of being the one time Head of Central Intelligence Agency!

Kenneth M. Fisher, Founder & Chairman, Concerened Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

8:20 PM  

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