Sep 18, 2006

Who's having more babies?

An analysis (click on this post's title) in yesterday's San Francisco Chronicle points out that political conservatives have many more babies than liberals do. The article also says four of five kids end up voting the way their parents do.

So the anti-lifers are outsmarting themselves by contracepting and aborting their babies to death and by sterilizing themselves.

But a wild card in the political future is whether the millions of Hispanic immigrants will largely stay truly Catholic and not adopt the contraceptive mentality that so many U.S. Catholics have. Also a factor is that lefties in the U.S. Church, including some we could name right here in L.A., clearly intimate to immigrants and everyone else that "left is best" among political parties.

Once again, we see that being pro-life is the best solution to everything. Now if we can only get everyone in our Catholic Church thinking and acting that way. Any ideas how to do that?


Blogger bobnd said...

Remember this meditation. "From death unto life. It takes the death of wheat to bring forth new grain. If there is no death there is no life. Liberals contracepting are short circuiting new life, they believe they are doing a great thing to humanity by not having children, but in all reality they are sentencing themselves to death with no life. Why Do we have the problems with the Muslims? We have the problems with the muslims because we kill our children in the name of choice. This is a perfect example of why both humans and muslims are dangerous to each other. One kills children in the name of choice and the other kills children in the name of God. It is time to start living a culture of life and to stop the killing. Maybe christian perfection can eventually come, but it takes new life to make it come and to make it happen

1:51 PM  
Blogger Tito said...

Kick out the lefty clerics.

If only it were that easy.

Wait until Cardinal Mahony retires and a lot of prayers, it will happen.

5:02 PM  
Blogger BaronVonMadman said...

How about more taxes and less loopholes for the the wealthiest Americans, more social spending, and less empowerment to the vampires of finance? Then the right can lay claim to the "culture of life" and the left can give up their excuses and truly be pro life.

6:03 PM  
Blogger Tito said...

More taxes? So you want to discourage people from advancing?

More social spending?

You are a Communist if not a Socialist. Why don't you move to Europe and enjoy your 'social welfare state' utopia before it falls under dhimmitude.

8:09 PM  
Blogger BaronVonMadman said...

"Tito", I probably lean more toward socialism than communism, but neither are compatible with Catholicism in the strict sense, although unbridled capitalism doesn't either. It seems to encourage a sense of entitlement and a survival of the fittest mentality. I hardly see how you assume that I want to "discourage people from advancing", although I'll try my best to assume that your response to my post was motivated by Catholic virtue. If you were going to take the time to respond to me, you could've been a little more well thought, as I'm sure your beliefs can't be as primitive as your 1 or 2 sentence blasts of negativity that seem to be your hallmark on this blog. You want to simply "throw out the lefty clerics"? How is that going to happen in the Church, which works under the doctrine of collegiality? As Benedict XVI said in some book I read, there will always be a huge disparity between the perfection of God's grace (and subsequently the teachings of his church) and the capacity of man. You seem to simply want to close your eyes and swing for the fence, or pin your hopes on landing that one knockout blow. I'd prefer to look at the circumstances and create/execute a gameplan that works, and chip away at my goal if needed. Think Marco Antonio Barrera vs. Prince Naseem Hamed, if you are boxing fan.

9:14 PM  
Blogger BaronVonMadman said...

Should've wrote "isn't" instead of "doesn't" there in the beginning of my longwinded post where i'm talking about communism, socialism and capitalism.

9:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Leftist economic policy (higher taxes, more social welfare, etc.) doesn't protect the right to life. One need only look at how, as the West has drifted further left-ward, it has also enacted more and more laws allowing, encouraging, and even mandating the slaughter of the unborn.

It really is that simple.


7:39 AM  
Blogger BaronVonMadman said...

"Jehu" apparently it isn't that simple to change the abortion laws or create a culture of life in the Church or in the secular world. Different economic policies could address a lot of the concerns young people have with raising families etc., the current economic climate is a bit intimidating for a lot of people. I don't see why we wouldn't want to provide more services and safety nets to our citizens and mother's. That certainly wouldn't solve the problem, but could contribute toward a solution as I'm not betting on Charlemagne to run in 08'.

I do however get a kick out of the over the top lingo and "woe betide thee who think otherwise" attitude on this blog, whether I agree or not. So, thanks for that Jehu and Tito!

10:14 AM  
Blogger The Dover Beachcomber said...

Nothing but vigorous, immediate, well-organized lay action will keep Catholic immigrants committed to Catholic teaching on abortion and contraception. We can't afford to wait for Cardinal Mahony to leave. By then it may be -- no, will be -- too late.

10:14 AM  
Anonymous DAve said...

Pro-life isn't the best for EVERYTHING...

...having huge families is hellishly expensive and a bonafide impediment to two-career families, female empowerment and a high economic standard of living. Therefore the question arises as to whether Latino families will indeed remain faithful to Catholic tenets or really whether they will align themselves to faiths more amenable to the exigencies of small families.
In Darwinian terms the leftist/liberals are making themselves extinct by having a birthrate which is insufficient to replace themselves. Perhaps it has always been so; thank God (literally)

Mahony is trying to be at the forefront of the quest for Latino upward mobility. He's perverted the concern we are commanded to have for our neighbors' SOULS into concern we're supposed to have for their POCKETBOOKS ala the Tidings... which is good for the instruction of children by virtue of the fact that it's so lost and intentionally misguiding that it serves as an easy text for their practicing critical analysis. That's the only reason I'D ever let a child peruse it...

1:41 PM  
Blogger BaronVonMadman said...

You have to somehow find a way to frame the issue in a way that people in the Church and outside see abortion as equal to infanticide. It would seem to be impossible to impose Catholic teachings and values on people who don't accept them or believe them. If our goal is to save people's souls as opposed to their pocketbooks then tweaking our economic policies to help provide necessities for everyone shouldn't be a problem.

2:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tweaking our economic policies in the way that our friend, "the baron," would have us do would not do anything but keep people from striving (as it has in Europe) and further expand the dependency class. The opposite policy, such as that first tried under Gov. Thompson of Wisconsin, has allowed many in the impoverished classes to escape their conditions. This is a policy of personal responsibility, not socialistic hand-outs.

In short, my responses sound "woe-betide" (to you) because the policies you advocate have been tried and have failed miserably.

The experiment has failed. WOE BE TIIIIIIIIDE!


3:40 PM  
Blogger BaronVonMadman said...

"Jehu" the policies you say I advocate, aren't things I suggest as an absolute solution to anything. They were merely suggestions. What we have now doesn't seem to be working very well either. The prosperity of the US is pretty unique, considering it has prospered in advantageous circumstances and has had the luxury of not having to fight wars on it's own soil, or at least share land borders with anyone that could pose a threat to us. I can be a bit of a smartass at times, and have in the past made some pretty negative posts for which there really is no justification, but I hardly see how anything I've written as a response to Q's original post or to you would provoke the combative responses I've received from both you and Tito. Q asked for suggestions as to how we could bring about a culure of life in the Church, I offered mine as simply that.....a suggestion. I didn't claim to be absolutely right or try to tell anyone here they were wrong.

3:53 PM  
Blogger Tito said...

Baron Von Madman,

I usually keep to the point and say it as it is, which is what truth is.

Unfortunately to your European sensibilities you want to drag out a point into mindless talk and chatter until 1) you exhaust the patience of your opponent or 2) you are able to continue 'discussing' to the point of never reaching the truth or closure.

'Lefty clerics' generally turn a blind eye to cohabitation, use of birth control, and premarital sex. Of course these are identifiable markers of the culture of death.

If you forgot that a 19th century pope condemned 'liberalism' et al.

Hence all lefty clerics must be kicked out-- if possible.

I believe my original posting is much more succinct and literally proficient.

If you care to cotinue this discourse I highly suggest you begin talking to the nearest wall next to you because I already know that carrying on a thoughtful and intellectual discussion with a socialist like yourself will point fruitless.

God bless and my He have mercy on your soul.


7:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Baron": Tito basically said this but, yeah, I reacted the way I did because you were off-topic and because you can't equate the pro-life cause with a leftist economic agenda (whether you advocate it or not).


8:04 PM  
Anonymous Kenneth Fisher, Founder & Chrm. CRCOA said...


In other words you trust the people who have messed up so much of our society, the Government, to mess it up even more, although you think they will make it better!

I have been involved with many elected officials, and almost all of them are a dissapointment.

Kenneth M. Fisher

9:10 PM  
Blogger BaronVonMadman said...

"Tito": You flatter yourself. Nevertheless, likewise....God bless and may He have mercy on your soul.


I have no desire to continue this "discourse".

Kenneth Fisher, obviously I disagree to an extent, but you make a good point and it's one that I I'm sure your opinions/perspective are gained by a lifetime of standing up for what you believe. Thanks.

11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Baron": Perhaps this'll be simpler.

A Tale of a Blog


Jehu von Fistikuff

Once upon a time, Quintero wrote a post about the pro-life cause.

but then...

"Baron" responded with something off-topic.


His response equated pro-life cause with leftist economic policy.

but, as noted...

Leftist economics are not on topic of Q's initial post.


Leftist economics do not lead to protecting the innocent, as evidenced by leftist nations worldwide.


Tito and Jehu corrected "Baron's" flawed assertions.

and then...

The blog was returned to Q with his original topic intact.

and so...

The peasants rejoiced.

1:11 AM  
Blogger BaronVonMadman said...

"Jehu von Fistikuff" you've proven to be a class act, and you've certainly made it simpler....I'll give you that. Perhaps, a switch to decaf would help.

Fistikuff? Queensberry rules?

10:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Baron": No, man, street-brawlin'.


11:03 AM  
Blogger Fidei Defensor said...

I have heard that huge numbers of Latin American immigrants become Protestant or non-practicing Catholic.

I think this is a failure on the part of the bishops, especailly the liberal ones.

We aren't past the point of no return yet though. With the right Cardinal in LA things could do a complete 180.

11:23 AM  
Blogger Quintero said...

Dear Baron 6:03 p.m.,

President Reagan proved once and for all, and it is happening again right now, that lowering taxes brings in more tax revenues.

When people can keep more of their own money, they invest it and they spend it, and that creates more wealth and thus more tax revenue.

"Social spending" does not reduce poverty, let alone end it. All levels of government have spent TRILLIONS of taxpayers' dollars on "social spending" in the last 40 years, and poverty is still here. Spending still more will prove just as fruitless.

Lefties' idea of "solving" poverty is to keep people dependent on welfare and to abort their babies.
That is NOT pro-life in any way!


12:10 PM  
Blogger BaronVonMadman said...

Quintero, point taken...thanks for your courteous response. We'll have to see how this turns out. Hopefully there will be an end to abortion and poverty, by whatever way God wills.

2:27 PM  
Blogger BaronVonMadman said...

Hi Jehu, I see you've left the "fistikuff" off this time. I'm happy to oblige you, I kind of figured the Queensbury rules were out of the question as it was becoming impossible to mistake you for a gentleman.

"calling all eunuchs, calling all eunuchs...there is gonna be an ass whoopin'"

2:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I knew exactly what you meant, dude. That's why I answered in the manner I did. Gentlemanly rules don't apply to those who equivocate when it comes to abortion.


2:36 PM  
Blogger BaronVonMadman said...

I disagree on the equivocating, I may hold a different opinion(right or wrong) on how to arrive at a solution, but I never said I supported abortion. However, considering the effort you've put into keeping this going and the puncuality you've shown in your responses to me....I still stand ready to oblige you, gentlemanly rules or otherwise.

3:13 PM  
Blogger Quintero said...

Dear Baron 2:34 p.m.,

Abortions were illegal in our USA for many years, and no one called it "imposing Catholic values" then.

Sadly, many pro-aborts already do admit that preborn babies are babies, and they say, "So what?"

Being pro-life is not solely based on faith. Acknowledging preborn babies' personhood and humanity is based on scientific fact and medical reality. Embryology textbooks all say that our human lives begin at our conception.

Pro-aborts (not you, I know) have created a straw man by FALSELY claiming pro-lifers "don't care about babies after they are born."

There is room in Catholic social thought for various ideas about the best ways to secure social justice and liberty for all.

12:22 AM  
Blogger Quintero said...

Dear Jehu,

Thanks for pointing out that leftist economic policies and pro-abortion laws go hand in hand.

Good job!

12:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Q: I'm actually gonna apologize to you for helping stir up trouble. I've not been my normal clear-thinking self (got a touch of the flu that won't let go) and I probably shouldn't have kept the thing with "Baron" going so long.

It just really annoys me when people change the subject to economic policy when all you're trying to discuss is the most basic protection of the lives of the most helpless. It's a diversion tactic to keep people from facing the reality of the slaughter that's been legalized throughout most of the world.

So, Q, please accept my apology for adding fuel to "Baron's" fire. It needn't have happened the way it did.


11:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

concerning the question "who's having more babies" i've experienced this first hand. my husband's secular jewish (and extremly liberal) extended family are childless. he and his sister are the only family memebers breeding. we are catholic and conservative. go figure. after a nerve jangling family reunion i turned to my husband and said don't worry we're breeding faster than they are. they'll be extinct soon.

5:27 PM  
Blogger Quintero said...

Dear Jehu,

Hope you are feeling better!

Don't worry, you contribute a lot to the discussions here. Please keep on doing so!

As ole Q has said before, really, all of us bloggers and commenters in all of cyberspace should avoid getting personal or being touchy.

You were not the one who started things in this string, though. And if commenters think someone is trying to change the subject or divert attention, it is fine for them to point that out.

2:10 PM  
Blogger Quintero said...

Dear Dover Beachcomber,

I couldn't agree more with you about our need for vigorous, well-organized lay Catholic action to fight the depradations of the sects against our Catholic flock.

Have you thought about an action plan, and whom to contact for ideas and allies? Maybe St. Joseph Media, Catholic Answers, etc.

2:15 PM  
Blogger Quintero said...

Hi, Dave,

I couldn't agree more with you about conditions today making it difficult or impossible for families.

A partial listing of the causes of our economic enslavement:

High income taxes; California's anti-business laws and policies; predatory corporations driving down American workers' wages and pensions and exporting jobs; the huge socialist activist lobby; and the gargantuan gravy train being ridden across our backs by certain highly undeserving professional recipients of welfare and entitlements and by the powerful, politically unionized government bureaucracies, including UC, CS and government schools.

2:29 PM  
Blogger Quintero said...

Dear Kenneth,

You can say that again about nearly all elected officials being disappointments. In fact, that is being a little easy on 'em!

2:31 PM  
Blogger Quintero said...

Dear Baron 11 p.m.,

That is nice of you to compliment Kenneth. I couldn't agree more with you about his lifetime of standing up for preborn babies and our holy Catholic Faith.

2:33 PM  
Blogger Quintero said...

Dear Fidei Defensor,

I couldn't agree more with you about the depradations of the sects against our Catholic flock.

I think Dover Beacjcomber is right about our need for immediate action by lay Catholics. What do you think? Best wishes --

2:38 PM  
Anonymous Kenneth Fisher, Founder & Chrm. CRCOA said...


The CRCOA Knights of Columbus Website is now up and running!

Go to, click on "Knights of Columbus", then click on the State.

you are interested in that is listed, then just follow the instructions.

You will find there the names of pro-abortion and or sodomite public figures

who are still Knights, a picture of them with details such as NARAL and

NACGLM ratings, Council number, and a link to their personal Websites.

We are looking to find out information on more pro-abortion and or sodomite public figures who are Knights. If you have such information please email it to: Eventually we believe we will have at least one such referrence for each State!

God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher, Founder & Chairman Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

12:38 AM  

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