Apr 15, 2006

America's great bishops

When you reflect on Catholic America's long heritage of great bishops, many beloved names from the past come to mind -- heroic defenders of Faith and flock.

No doubt you have your own list of super-shepherds. For me, just some of the ones named John make up quite a sample: John Carroll, John Lancaster Spalding, John Ireland, John Lamy of New Mexico and "Dagger John" Hughes of New York. These giants of the Faith built up the Church in the face of hardship and anti-Catholicism.

And yes, my heroes of the hierarchy include our own James Francis Cardinal McIntyre of Los Angeles. May we see his like again.

Now, to my point: What do you think these noble Catholic bishops would say about, and do about, the recent absolutely surreal spectacle of Cardinal Mahony's Religious Education Congress keynote speaker telling an audience of tens of thousands to understand homosexuals and to do so by watching obscene entertainment?
But on this Holy Saturday, good night, and may the Light of Christ always inhabit our souls and guide us aright. "Resuscito, resuscito...He is risen, alleluia!"


Anonymous Anonymous said...

A blessed Easter to you, Quintero!

6:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Happy Easter Quintero!

(pstt...you forgot to mention Abp. Sheen)

7:34 PM  
Blogger ppius13 said...

My dear Quintero, you ask: "What do you think these noble Catholic bishops would say about, and do...".

Nothing, absolutely nothing.

5:09 AM  
Blogger Jared said...

PPius13: Huh? Maybe I'm thick headed, but I don't get it.

I tend to think that it's obvious that those bishops would indeed have spoken words of "fraternal correction."

At the least.

2:25 PM  
Blogger ppius13 said...


Forgive my cynicism (on Easter Sunday no less). A Bishop will not speak out against another bishop, under any circumstances, even in the face of the gravest evil. Those involved in the struggle to save Terry Schiavo's life will attest to that. The Holy Father will not sanction heretical bishops and bishops will not offer "fraternal correction" to each another. It will not happen. It is an unfortunate reality in the Church.

If you do not believe me, try getting your bishop to offer "fraternal correction" to another bishop after he has committed the most egregious violation of ecclesial or moral law. See how receptive he is to your suggestion. He will not do it.

I have discussed this with my own bishop who is regarded as highly orthodox. He does not want to get involved in a problem in which he has no jurisdiction. Bishops do not want to create problems by drawing negative attention to themselves. They think that they have enough problems managing their own dioceses: shortage of priests, financial worries, church closings, litigation costs, etc...

If bishops united on a single issue--just once-- (like abortion) and used the power of their Divine office to combat the evil decision of Roe v. Wade, procured abortion may not be legal today. But they will not do it, because they are suffering from a crisis of faith, and squandering the graces attendant to their sacred office. Many of them are also moral cowards, unwilling to take up their crosses and endure the eventual "fallout" for speaking out on an issue.

Regrettably, they know that they have failed us and, for all intents and purposes, have gone into "hiding". Let them know that you are orthodox and they will flee from you. You will be a reminder to them of their inadequacies and ineffectual leadership.

Jared, I apologize again for my cynicism, but most of what I said is probably true.

8:38 PM  
Blogger Jared said...


I understand that this won't happen TODAY, but Quintero was asking if it would've happened with some of the great bishops of the past. I believe it would have, in the past.

But I have to unfortunately agree with you cynicism as to our present status. Rome has been known to intercede (Arinze and Benedict XVI himself, before he was pope have both been known to speak out against some things done by renegade bishops) but it doesn't happen often.

Call me idealistically cynical. I believe that it SHOULD happen, even that it COULD. But I've begun to think it won't. At least not until things get even worse.

1:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic, but FYI:

At the Commonweal Blog, on the LA congress

8:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I understand that there is bill in Calif. requiring the public schools to teach Gay History. It is beyond me what that means. In my mind the Bishops do not understand what is going to be released on the culture in the next generation. I do not think they are prepared for the depravity that will be the result.
I have seen young people ears pop up to hear what our church leaders have to say about homosexuality. Their world is going to be quite different than mine. I do think the wisdom of the ages which comes from the family will be harder and harder to access.

9:52 AM  
Blogger Dad29 said...

If by Bp. Ireland you are referring to the Mn/St.Paul Bishop who caused a Pope to send a letter warning about "Americanism," then perhaps that Bp. should be removed from your post...

Happy Easter!

11:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dad29....why should Bishop Ireland be removed from the post? Catholicism would seem to transcend "Americanism", sometimes maybe in conflict with it other times in line with it. Why would this be an issue....Catholicism isn't about nationalism. I'm not trying to be a smart ass, just wondering why that in and of itself would be a problem...or if you could maybe give me some insight into Bishop Ireland's letter.

3:08 PM  
Blogger BaronVonMadman said...

"Anon 3:08"....."Americanism" was a term used to describe a form of Catholicism that was liberal and made concessions to other denominations.....or something like that. Not sure, but I think that is what was meant by Bishop Ireland...and Rome...by the term "Americanism". I could be wrong though.

3:25 PM  
Blogger Quintero said...

Dear Angela,

Thanks for mentioning Bishop Sheen! Yes, if there were a U.S. bishops' hall of fame, he would head the list or be near it.

He'll be canonized one day, too, let's pray.

3:50 PM  
Blogger Quintero said...

Dear Friends,

Happy Easter to each of you, too!

5:21 PM  
Blogger Quintero said...

Dear PPius13 and Jared,

Yes, I was speaking of what the great bishops of the 18th and 19th centuries would have said and done.

Back then, it would have been unheard of, unthinkable, for any archbishop to host a speaker who would even mention homosexuals, let alone urge Catholics to become sympathetic toward them by viewing obscene entertainment.

Something would have been done; such an archbishop would have been forced into early retirement and urged to repent and make amends.

5:35 PM  
Blogger Quintero said...

Dear Dad29,

You are a good historian. I think and hope he was not a full-fledged Modernist and was not anywhere near as bad as many today are.

I think what we can say about him is that even the most "liberal" of bishops of his time would have been thunderstruck, dumbfounded, at the Cardinal Mahony-Father Radcliffe fiasco and would have admonished the two of them in private and sought to have them be retired and silenced.

5:57 PM  
Blogger Quintero said...

Dear Anonymous and Baron,

Yes, "Americanism" in that sense was not American patriotism but a tendency toward solving problems such as Catholic education less as the Pope wanted them and more toward finding more secular-type solutions.

That is a partial definition, anyway. I don't think Archbishop Ireland went over the edge.

6:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks Anonymous for the FYI at Commonweal ,I read to much surprise, because I am the woman pushing the stroller, whom Grant published in the Commonweal blog on his experience outside Cardinal Mahony's Religious Education Congress. I suggest people commenting in here go over to commonweal blog and login and post comments. Oh my! what a small world we live in. Susan

9:49 PM  

Post a Comment

<< Home

Site Meter